This came from Massively.com's feature on Earthrise for GDC 2009


Atanasov says, "There will be a time limit. Right now we're planning for 30 seconds, which means that once you die nobody can pick up your inventory for that first 30 seconds. So you have the time to choose whether or not you want your inventory back," at a cost, of course.

30 seconds is an eternity when your talking PVP

Personally i think that 30 seconds after you die to determine if you want to keep your stuff is a bit....well stupid. With the insurance system in place there is already a safeguard to those that can afford it from losing all of their gear. 30 seconds a very very long time to be standing around waiting for someone to decide what they want to do. Now if its the case that was stated in the post below me, maybe 15 seconds would work a little better, and even that is too much. When you pvping and in that zone, 10 seconds is more then enough time to decide what you want to do with your stuff, and your killer isnt forced to stand there and smoke a cigarette while he waits for you make up your mind.



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This is what a wrote originally, but after thinking about i agree with the post below me, but ill leave it here anyways:
So what im taking from this statement is that i kill Tyrael. After i kill him he clones, and has 30 seconds after that to run to whatever console he needs to get to and buy his gear back. I have always been under the impression that insurance was something that you had before you entered battle. You buy insurance, die, head to bank and get your stuff, then reinsure it, head back out into battle. If you dont have insurance then tough luck.

So what it sounds like from this statement is this:

I buy a new car. i get into a car accident with no insurance. so the next day i go and buy insurance on the new car that i wrecked yesterday and everything is fine. it just doesn't make sense. depending on a few things i can see the ability for someone to NEVER lose their gear if they have 30 seconds to insure it and buy it back.

I think if you dont have the insurance before you die, then tough luck. As goes the worlds of Full Loot FFA pvp

/agree

No insurance, no item return. BUT!
Depending on how the system works, it could be something like:
- You spawn,
- You decide you want your items back (cause you forgot to insure),
- You hit up a terminal,
- The terminal makes contact with your killer to say you want your items back, and that you will pay full price.
- The killer makes a lot more profit off the items than he would have if you had them insured.

When I say killer I mean killer/looter/group leader of the looter/etc, but it would all be automated and the looter would simply see the monetary compensation, not actually having a choice.

30 seconds is ok. I suppose its for lag issues and such.

If you only had a 5 second timer, you could easily lag out before getting the option to keep your new loots.

Personally though, I think if the items were not insured prior to death, they should be lost...even if they were just looted.

That would probally add more realism to the situation.

I think its supposed to be a mechanism to soften the blow of full loot pvp - a comprimise so to speak to allow the game to be accessible to a wider audience.

We can give feedback in beta regarding how well it works.

However, if there is a load in screen between death and the insurance screen, than 30 seconds is definetly going to be required for users with smaller amounts of ram who typically have longer load in times.

But if they prompt a person to buy back loot before prompting them to rez, i.e., before loading in the spawn area, than maybe 15-20 seconds will be enough, especially if the buyback menu is intuitive. If it listed the items that would be lost, the cost to buy back and maybe a rough estimate of worth, people can quickly decide if they want to buy back.

Also, I like the timer as I posted in the other thread because it means that killer(s) will have to defend their kills, and not just survive a combat encounter.

Lastly another thought, maybe this mechanic will actually promote pvp because sucessful pvpers will have the option to buy back what they previously looted, freeing them from having to run back to an insurance terminal between each kill which provided loot.

i see this 30 sec a very stupid idea ..if u have the option to save your items why you need another 30 secounds after you are killed ?Is so simple this way :u save your good items at the insurance and then when u die you lose waht is not saved .Isnt it simple this way?

I think the timer should be 0 seconds. If they didn't have it insured they should lose it, and I see nothing wrong with that. The 30 second timer will really break up pvp in some cases. If the battle is moving, I don't want to have to choose between chasing the enemy and looting.

And I don't see how this would reduce ninja looting at all.


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then no offense this honostly isn't the game for you
I see where you people are coming from, checking thru your inventory to see what you want to save
determining how much crap you were carrying will take more than 10 seconds...
but sitting their waiting sucks...
but im with 30 seconds, its not that unreasonable

This brings up another interesting topic of discussion:

Deleting your loot before you die.


In 30 seconds its not that hard to delete everything you have on you so your killer has nothing to loot.....